BiblioCrunch We're honored to be today's guest for
#indiechat. Topic: The importance of creating a good publishing team. Join...
http://t.co/ljspR0ju -5:21 PM Aug 14th, 2012
miralsattar Opening up #author registration today so folks
from #indiechat can check it out http://t.co/xn6kMXb1 #bookpub -5:30 PM Aug
14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Opening up #author registration today so folks
from #indiechat can check it out http://t.co/4DF5rpuI #bookpub -5:31 PM Aug
14th, 2012
IndelibleWriter Don't forget #indiechat tonight at 9pm EST.
Putting together your own publishing team with guest! See you there! -6:33 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @lorcadamon p.s join in today on #indiechat!
We're talking about how to build your publishing team -6:34 PM Aug 14th, 2012
LornaSuzuki RT @BiblioCrunch: @lorcadamon p.s join in today
on #indiechat! We're talking about how to build your publishing team -6:35 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn RT @IndelibleWriter: Don't forget #indiechat
tonight at 9pm EST. Putting together your own publishing team with guest! See
you there! -7:41 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes 2nite 9pm est join us for #indiechat
@bibliocrunch will be discussing "importance of building great pubbing
team (ie covers, editing, etc) -8:23 PM Aug 14th, 2012
miralsattar RT @srjohannes: 2nite 9pm est join us for
#indiechat @bibliocrunch will be discussing "importance of building great
pubbing team (ie covers, editing, etc) -8:25 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @srjohannes: 2nite 9pm est join us for
#indiechat @bibliocrunch will be discussing "importance of building great
pubbing team (ie covers, editing, etc) -8:26 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @srjohannes looking forward to it! #indiechat -8:27
PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @LornaSuzuki: RT @BiblioCrunch: @lorcadamon
p.s join in today on #indiechat! We're talking about how to build your
publishing team -8:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio Hi everyone! #indiechat -9:00 PM Aug 14th,
2012
Battista_j Hi all! #indiechat -9:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn Hi indiechatters! #indiechat -9:01 PM Aug
14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch HI! *waves* RT @KatGirl_Studio Hi everyone!
#indiechat -9:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling Yay! Time for #indiechat. Looking forward to
what @BiblioCrunch has to say! -9:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @laurapauling: Yay! Time for #indiechat.
Looking forward to what @BiblioCrunch has to say! -9:02 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Super excited to be here today! #indiechat
-9:03 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio today's topic looks great! #indiechat -9:03
PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Could you explain the open invite
I saw tweeted earlier? #indiechat -9:04 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch So what was your biggest challenge when putting
together a publishing team for your book? #indiechat -9:04 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch For me, finding an affordable
editor while just starting out. #indiechat -9:05 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Okay, wait, forget that. It was
learning to format. #indiechat -9:05 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn I'm a little unclear on the term
"publishing team" - are we talking cover artist, editor, formatter,
all independent? #indiechat -9:05 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling Yes! @BiblioCrunch provides a
platform for authors to find talent and hire accordingly based on their budget
#indiechat -9:05 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Thanks. So we create an account?
#indiechat -9:06 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @susankayequinn That's the impression I got.
#indiechat -9:06 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch We vet all #authors and #book publishing
professionals who join b/c quality is what separated a 'good' #indiechat book
from 'bad' -9:06 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @BiblioCrunch Is it like a marketplace? Or
more of a crowdsource/bidding kind of thing? #indiechat -9:07 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch finding an editor and
copyeditor that understood my voice and my learning disability. #indiechat
-9:07 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling so for tonight, we've opened up
the platform for today for any #indiechat authors to join http://t.co/4DF5rpuI
-9:07 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Battista_j @BiblioCrunch @laurapauling I used them to find
my editor. Love her! Highly recommend the platform!#indiechat -9:07 PM Aug
14th, 2012
laurapauling RT @BiblioCrunch: @laurapauling so for tonight,
we've opened up the platform for today for any #indiechat authors to join
http://t.co/4DF5rpuI -9:07 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Yep! RT @laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Thanks. So
we create an account? #indiechat -9:07 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch For me, it was #coverdesign and #editing RT @laurapauling
@BiblioCrunch Okay, wait, forget that. It was learning to format. #indiechat
-9:08 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @Battista_j: @BiblioCrunch @laurapauling I
used them to find my editor. Love her! Highly recommend the platform!#indiechat
-9:08 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn RT @BiblioCrunch: so for tonight, weve opened
up the platform for today for any #indiechat authors to join
http://t.co/S7WhlsNc #indiechat -9:08 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch you vet us? #indiechat -9:08 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch More of a marketplace RT @susankayequinn
@BiblioCrunch Is it like a marketplace? Or more of a crowdsource/bidding kind
of thing? #indiechat -9:09 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @BiblioCrunch I can see vetting publishing
professionals, but how do you vet authors? #indiechat -9:09 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @susankayequinn We don't want freelancers
competing against each other, so we changed that #indiechat. Should be all
about the book -9:09 PM Aug 14th, 2012
MichWritesBooks RT @IndelibleWriter: Don't forget #indiechat
tonight at 9pm EST. Putting together your own publishing team with guest! See
you there! -9:10 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Yes. :) We make everyone fill out why they want
to join RT @KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch you vet us? #indiechat -9:10 PM Aug
14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch oh when? what do you mean?
#indiechat -9:10 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Is this to avoid spammers? Or do
you look at an author's sales. #indiechat -9:11 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @susankayequinn Vetting authors means that the
professionals who provide these services also get quality clients #Indiechat
-9:11 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch Oh I feel so shiny =^.^=
Apparently I made the cut. #indiechat -9:11 PM Aug 14th, 2012
authorchristier RT @IndelibleWriter: Don't forget #indiechat
tonight at 9pm EST. Putting together your own publishing team with guest! See
you there! -9:11 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @BiblioCrunch So you're looking for authors
that want services, not looking for business for themselves? #indiechat -9:12
PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch So did you start this up? Why
don't you give us a little history? #indiechat -9:12 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch : ) RT @KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch Oh I feel
so shiny =^.^= Apparently I made the cut. #indiechat -9:12 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @susankayequinn: @BiblioCrunch So you're
looking for authors that want services, not looking for business for
themselves? #indiechat -9:12 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @susankayequinn Actually, we found a lot of
authors are also looking for work so added a #both category #indiechat -9:13 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling Yes, I started @BiblioCrunch. I
used to work in publishing for several years (@TIME to be specific) #indiechat
-9:13 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @BiblioCrunch Got it! Some authors are also
editors, etc. #indiechat -9:14 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch And I saw that people were buying books based
on news events or trends (key figure dying, vampires, etc) #indiechat -9:14 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch So I pitched the idea to my bosses at @TimeInc
that we should be collectively publishing books based on all this content we
have #Indiechat -9:15 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Realized that there was a shortage of #tools
and #resources for people looking to publish books if you were not part of pub
co #indiechat -9:15 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @bibliocrunch I may be in the market for a
dev. editor at some point. That's serious $$, tho. Can you give estimates of
range? #indiechat -9:15 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks I think a great editor and cover are the two
crucial components of a publishing team. Formatting can be learned via
@GuidoHenkel #indiechat -9:16 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch And I discovered #indiepublishing and #selfpub
and it's one of the most exciting spaces to be in right now. #indiechat -9:16
PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch I agree. A lot of my more
recent clients were indie or from smaller new pubs. #indiechat -9:18 PM Aug
14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @susankayequinn really good dev #editors charge
40-60/hr and can do 1-5pages an hour #indiechat -9:18 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn Agreed. @RyanCaseyBooks I think a great
editor&cover are the 2 crucial components of a publishing team.Formatting
can be learned #indiechat -9:18 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @susankayequinn but I've seen people work on
various budgets and seen a few hundred dollars to high 4 figures. #indiechat
-9:19 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @BiblioCrunch Excited that Bibliocrunch in on
#indiechat found my new job here guys :) -9:19 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @KatGirl_Studio: @BiblioCrunch I agree. A
lot of my more recent clients were indie or from smaller new pubs. #indiechat
-9:19 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @Froze8 What's your new job? #indiechat -9:19
PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @Froze8: @BiblioCrunch Excited that
Bibliocrunch in on #indiechat found my new job here guys :) -9:19 PM Aug 14th,
2012
susankayequinn @BiblioCrunch Yup, lot-o-$$. Which is why
most indie authors use critique swapping instead, I think. #indiechat -9:19 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks yes both are extremely
important. #indiechat -9:19 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Addison_Moore RT @BiblioCrunch: And I discovered
#indiepublishing and #selfpub and it's one of the most exciting spaces to be in
right now. #indiechat -9:20 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @Froze8 hey hey =^.^= #indiechat -9:20 PM Aug
14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @susankayequinn @BiblioCrunch Yup, lot-o-$$.
Which is why most indie authors use critique swapping instead, I think.
#indiechat -9:20 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @susankayequinn Which I LOVE. Thing the
swapping idea is brilliant #indiechat and adding that feature soon! -9:20 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @laurapauling I'm working as a Marketing Associate
for @BiblioCrunch, found them on #indiechat got a trial job and landed a job :)
-9:20 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Addison_Moore @RyanCaseyBooks Exactly! @GuidoHenkel
#indiechat -9:20 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @Froze8 Awesome! Sounds like a terrific
opportunity! #indiechat -9:21 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn ya if I run into a snag I
just bounce ideas off my fiance. #indiechat -9:21 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch I'm pretty good at #tech and #writing and have
been able to barter than for awesome legal services and other stuff #indiechat
-9:21 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @Froze8: @laurapauling I'm working as a
Marketing Associate for @BiblioCrunch, found them on #indiechat got a trial job
and landed a job :) -9:21 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @KatGirl_Studio Hey Kat! Missed chatting with you!
How goes the book? #indiechat -9:21 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Here's a work in progress pricing guide for
#bookpub that we are working on http://t.co/Pq3gJk4a #indiechat -9:21 PM Aug
14th, 2012
susankayequinn So many creative people in the indie world,
it's a fantastic source to tap for swapping services. #indiechat -9:21 PM Aug
14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks So easy to cut corners but a great editor is
so, so crucial. Recommend 99designs for an unconventional design route.
#indiechat -9:22 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @laurapauling It really is. I'm excited to become
more of a marketer from my personal assistant background. A good change :)
#indiechat -9:22 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @Froze8 ya sorry I'm been so busy with
wedding stuff i missed the last few weeks of chat. #indiechat -9:22 PM Aug
14th, 2012
susankayequinn @KatGirl_Studio My husband's good for
business ideas and keeping me from climbing the walls. Not so much editing. LOL
#indiechat -9:22 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Battista_j @BiblioCrunch @susankayequinn Oh, can't wait!
#indiechat -9:22 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn RT @BiblioCrunch: Heres a work in progress
pricing guide for #bookpub that we are working on http://t.co/w1DF7zpm
#indiechat -9:23 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @KatGirl_Studio I understand, I've missed the last
few too with summer stuff. Still getting into the swing of things #indiechat
-9:23 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @Froze8 it' about 80% done. I'm way behind
but I didn't know I'd be getting married when we planned the launch. #indiechat
-9:23 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch I've also found Meetups to be super awesome!
You can organize one in your city and swap services #indiechat -9:23 PM Aug
14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @Addison_Moore Reading Henkel's formatting
guide is 2 hours well spent. Unnecessary expense saved! Well worth a read.
#indiechat -9:23 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn mine's the complete opposite
lol. #indiechat -9:24 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn Nice! @BiblioCrunch: Ive also found Meetups
to be super awesome! You can organize one in your city and swap services
#indiechat -9:24 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @B@RyanCaseyBooks Do you mean his series of
blog posts? #indiechat -9:24 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @RyanCaseyBooks Amen to the editing being crucial. So
many books have great potential but need to follow through with this #indiechat
-9:24 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @RyanCaseyBooks @Addison_Moore I learned to
format on http://t.co/8LiQvaik #indiechat best 20/month I ever spent! -9:24 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks what kind of formatting? For
print or eBook? #indiechat -9:24 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @RyanCaseyBooks Do you have a link for
Henkel's formatting guide? #indiechat -9:24 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @KatGirl_Studio I was an engineer when he
married me. He's still wondering what happened. :) #indiechat -9:24 PM Aug 14th,
2012
AlanKealey EDITING - Why NOT Do-It-Yourself...? Great
article ? http://t.co/hpgpvC3n ? on Indie Author News. #Writing #WritingTips
#IndieChat -9:25 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling My husband falls asleep within 5 minutes no
matter what he's reading. #indiechat @KatGirl_Studios @susankayequinn -9:25 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @BiblioCrunch @Addison_Moore Will
investigate, sounds great to me! #indiechat -9:25 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch We did a really fun meetup in NY and we had 35
authors come and network with each other #indiechat -9:25 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @KatGirl_Studio That's okay. I'd rather wait than
have you rush. I'm just very excited for it :) #indiechat -9:25 PM Aug 14th,
2012
susankayequinn RT @BiblioCrunch@RyanCaseyBooks
@Addison_Moore I learned to format on http://t.co/XuBfFq6u #indiechat best
20/month I ever spent! #indiechat -9:25 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch ya I learned to use InDesign
using one of their books; they're great! #indiechat -9:25 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @RyanCaseyBooks @Addison_Moore Plus it's better
b/c you can do live examples and download them. #indiechat -9:25 PM Aug 14th,
2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Isn't http://t.co/gVtgPm1H mainly
for formatting with Indesign though? #indiechat -9:26 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio Just eBook with this guide.
Google 'Guido Henkel Formatting' if you fancy giving it a go! #indiechat -9:26
PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @Froze8 =^.^= I'm also planing all the new
art for the trailers and covers. #indiechat -9:26 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @laurapauling My hubs doesn't want me to
write more than one book a year, because that's all he can manage to read. LOL!
#indiechat -9:26 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @KatGirl_Studio Wow! Sounds like a lot of work
but fun creative work! #indiechat -9:27 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch That's where I found Sigl RT @laurapauling
@BiblioCrunch Isn't http://t.co/8LiQvaik mainly for formatting with Indesign
though? #indiechat -9:27 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @susankayequinn My hub waits for the audio!
#indiechat -9:27 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks Oh that's ok I can already
code in 4 computer languages plus eBooks. But thanks. #indiechat -9:27 PM Aug
14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @laurapauling which? #indiechat -9:28 PM Aug
14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @Froze8 Totally. Even 1,000 word works need
editing, so 100,000 certainly need some tidying up, at structural and line
levels. #indiechat -9:28 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @KatGirl_Studio All the trailers and covers. :)
#indiechat -9:28 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch WOW RT @KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks Oh
that's ok I can already code in 4 computer languages plus eBooks. But thanks.
#indiechat -9:28 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Addison_Moore @laurapauling We have the same husband. ;) @KatGirl_Studios
@susankayequinn #indiechat -9:29 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @laurapauling Oh yes. Fun but hard work too.
But it's also what I do for my job so. #indiechat -9:29 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @Addison_Moore I don't get offended. :)
#indiechat -9:29 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio That's awesome. I'm a little
bit in admiration right now. ;) #indiechat -9:29 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch ya i was a New Media major
before i switched to Illustration. #indiechat -9:29 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch What do we do first after we
create an account? #indiechat -9:30 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Formatting is huge thing too #indiechat. I've
seen Big Six publishers with gaping holes or have books that don't work across
devices -9:30 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks What can I say, I like to
learn things. #indiechat -9:30 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @RyanCaseyBooks I used 99designs for my logo!
#indiechat. -9:30 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @KatGirl_Studio Any Travis? ;) #indiechat -9:30 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
LM_Preston #indiechat I'm late but glad I'm getting my indie
fix -9:31 PM Aug 14th, 2012
SendaEvenson French readers : "Et si j'oubliais" A
hilarious satire of the modern world http://t.co/uUW0MEQr vidéo
http://t.co/CN0qaR5S #indiechat -9:31 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Post a project with what you need done &
budget RT @laurapauling @BiblioCrunch What do we do first after we create an
account? #indiechat -9:31 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @BiblioCrunch I don't support using them
because they tend to devalue the industry. But if you have too... #indiechat
-9:31 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @Froze8 yes. Each of the 3 will get their own
trailer for book 2. #indiechat -9:32 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch After you post project/budget do
you wait for professionals to get in touch with you? #indiechat -9:32 PM Aug
14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @BiblioCrunch used 99D for my upcoming novel,
What We Saw - looks gorgeous. http://t.co/ULLLFafI for anyone interested in
results #indiechat -9:32 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch I also find it helpful to create a checklist
for authors for things to consider when publishing http://t.co/4FXJuEK9
#indiechat -9:33 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @laurapauling: @BiblioCrunch After you post
project/budget do you wait for professionals to get in touch with you?
#indiechat -9:33 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @RyanCaseyBooks Love the cover. Looks good!
Congrats on the new release this fall! #indiechat -9:34 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Yup! RT @laurapauling @BiblioCrunch After you
post project/budget do you wait for professionals to get in touch with you?
#indiechat -9:34 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch So no one might be in touch? Or
we might get several interested parties? #indiechat -9:34 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling After you post your project
you'll see the proposals come in within a few hours #indiechat and you can
check out portfolios -9:34 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn RT @BiblioCrunch: a checklist for authors for
things to consider when publishing http://t.co/xVtAjEmp #indiechat -9:35 PM Aug
14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks 99D is great for everyone,
except the designers that is. #indiechat -9:35 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks because basically you are
asking a lot of people to work for free on spec. #indiechat -9:35 PM Aug 14th,
2012
Froze8 @RyanCaseyBooks Two things you need to put the most
money towards the cover and the editing. #indiechat -9:35 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling We have over 500 professionals on
there so someone will always be in touch #indiechat -9:35 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio Very interesting debate,
yeah. I totally hear you. Everyone but the winning designer, anyway. #indiechat
-9:35 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling if we see that something isn't
getting bids it's probably miscategorized and we work with the author to fix it
#indiechat -9:36 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio Hopefully some day soon we'll
see more rewards for the runners up. #indiechat -9:36 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks most designers I know won't
even go near such companies. #indiechat -9:37 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell YES! RT @Froze8: Two things you need to put
the most money towards the cover and the editing. #indiechat -9:37 PM Aug 14th,
2012
laurapauling RT @BiblioCrunch: if we see that something
isn't getting bids it's probably miscategorized and we work with the author to
fix it #indiechat -9:37 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Also, you can write reviews for the freelancers
you have worked with to see how they fared #indiechat -9:37 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @JessieHarrell: YES! RT @Froze8: Two things
you need to put the most money towards the cover and the editing. #indiechat
-9:38 PM Aug 14th, 2012
LM_Preston RT @JessieHarrell: YES! RT @Froze8: Two things
you need to put the most money towards the cover and the editing. #indiechat
-9:38 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks as a concept crowd sourced
designing will never be good for designers. #indiechat -9:38 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch What about marketing? RT @Froze8: Two things
you need to put the most money towards the cover and the editing. #indiechat
-9:38 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @KatGirl_Studio That's gonna be sexy <3 -9:39="-9:39" 14th="14th" 2012="2012" aug="aug" blog="blog" can="can" feature="feature" i="i" indiechat="indiechat" it="it" maybe="maybe" my="my" on="on" p="p" pm="pm">
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks but some companies like
BiblioCrunch take a different approach which is more fair to the designers.
#indiechat -9:39 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn The best marketing is a well-edited book with
a great cover. @BiblioCrunch: What about marketing? RT @Froze8: #indiechat
-9:39 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Is there a way we vet the parties
who contact us? #indiechat Like a sample crit or something? -9:39 PM Aug 14th,
2012
BiblioCrunch I've self-pubbed and I had no idea that you had
to proof a digital book in all readers #indiechat -9:40 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @BiblioCrunch IMHO, marketing should be a
distant third in your expense budget. bloggers will help and read e-copies.
#indiechat -9:40 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @laurapauling @BiblioCrunch Is there a way
we vet the parties who contact us? #indiechat Like a sample crit or something?
-9:40 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling I have some random question marks at the end of
2 my of chapters in the epub that I absolutely can't get rid of. #indiechat
-9:40 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks 99D perpetuates the idea that
spec work is ok and it really isn't. It's no different than slave labor.
#indiechat -9:41 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling that is actually a good idea.
#indiechat -9:41 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio I will have to investigate
BiblioCrunch. We're so blessed to live in an age of choice and options.
#indiechat -9:41 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @laurapauling like the symbols? #indiechat
-9:41 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes Ok so i am finally online! our power went out!
#indiechat -9:41 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @KatGirl_Studio Except all authors work on
spec, no? :) I'm really just yanking your chain. I agree about spec work, in
general. #indiechat -9:42 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Things you need to think about when forming
your team. Talk and FaceTime or Skype with your #editor to make sure you
connect #indiechat -9:42 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @KatGirl_Studio ????? All at the end of a
chapter. #indiechat -9:42 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks I agree. #indiechat -9:42 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @srjohannes Hi Shelli! I just arrived myself.
#indiechat -9:42 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @KatGirl_Studio But there is nothing there for
the marks to be replacing. It's weird. #indiechat -9:42 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes NOt that I know as much as miral! #indiechat but
can try to contribute -9:42 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch #CoverDesign #eBookFormatting #Conversion
#Proofing #Marketing #Distribution Things to thing about #indiechat -9:43 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @srjohannes Hey! Glad your power came back on!
#indiechat That's why there are several of us! #indiechat -9:43 PM Aug 14th,
2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn it's not really the same,
sorry. #indiechat -9:43 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes im going to add formatting! RT @Froze8: Two
things you need to put the most money towards the cover and the editing.
#indiechat -9:43 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @laurapauling bad storm. wierd storms here in GA.
but my neighbordhood has prob with trees going don #indiechat #indiechat -9:44
PM Aug 14th, 2012
tammyhelfrich #indiechat just saw this. Do you talk about
self publishing? -9:44 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch EEP! RT @srjohannes Ok so i am finally online!
our power went out! #indiechat -9:44 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio Sorry if I offended anyone but this is an
important subject for me as a member of the No Spec movement. #indiechat -9:44
PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @srjohannes formatting is important, but some
authors *cough, cough* can do this themselves (mostly) #indiechat -9:44 PM Aug
14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio I see your point, however I
would contest that nobody is forced to design for 99D. 100% choice. #indiechat
-9:44 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @tammyhelfrich yes we talk all things self pub
and indie pub #indiechat -9:45 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @laurapauling how are you creating the file? I
might be able to help you. #indiechat -9:45 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch YES! :) RT @tammyhelfrich #indiechat just saw
this. Do you talk about self publishing? -9:45 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @JessieHarrell not i! cant stand it! #indiechat
-9:45 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @tammyhelfrich yes. self publishing and
publishing with small (Indie) presses. #indiechat -9:45 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @tammyhelfrich Welcome! Yes, we talk all
things indie. #indiechat -9:45 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio You're spot on though. Its a
fascinating debate that perhaps deserves a whole topic to itself some time.
#indiechat -9:46 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn no that's work-for-hire and a
whole different problem in the industry. #indiechat -9:46 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @KatGirl_Studio The epub was originally created
with Indesign. But I can't see anything wonky in the code using Sigil.
#indiechat -9:46 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @srjohannes I know - that's why I said it. ;)
I actually still can't do .mobi but think I have the rest down. #indiechat
-9:46 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn with WFH at least the artist
is being paid hourly or by project. #indiechat -9:46 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Enhanced features are getting more and popular
in ebooks and #github has some nice examples you can download #Indiechat -9:46
PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @JessieHarrell: @srjohannes I know - that's
why I said it. ;) I actually still can't do .mobi but think I have the rest down.
#indiechat -9:47 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn but with spec you are working
for free unless you win and then you get paid a small amount. #indiechat -9:47
PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @KatGirl_Studio So, getting paid (work for
hire) is good, right? Because that's most of what indie authors do, right?
#indiechat -9:48 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @laurapauling you've just convinced me I
shouldn't be doing my own formatting since I didn't understand most of what you
said. #indiechat -9:48 PM Aug 14th, 2012
LM_Preston @KatGirl_Studio what's no spec #indiechat -9:48
PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell RT @BiblioCrunch: Enhanced features are
getting more and popular in ebooks and #github has some nice examples you can
download #indiechat -9:48 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @JessieHarrell I think after like 5 more books,
I'll have the formatting understood. #indiechat -9:48 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn imagine working retail and
only getting paid if you sell the most. That's what crowd sourced design is.
#indiechat -9:48 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch A lot of authors forget about clearing the
images they use for their #cover #indiechat -9:48 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @JessieHarrell The most frustrating thing was
realizing that Amazon strips most of the formatting. So keep it simple.
#indiechat -9:49 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn Which sounds like trad-pub to me. :)
@KatGirl_Studio: but with spec,working for free unless you win&then get
paid a small amount #indiechat -9:49 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio Likewise, no offence taken
whatsoever. More interested in the topic than anything. :) #indiechat -9:49 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes if it wasnt for miral I never would have made the
marketing book! she saved me! RT @JessieHarrell: @laurapauling #indiechat -9:49
PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @JessieHarrell Unless you create fonts as
images for chapter titles, formatting gets stripped. #indiechat -9:49 PM Aug
14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @laurapauling What is sigil? And is this in
ePub, mobi or both files? #indiechat -9:49 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @srjohannes How so? How did you use
@BiblioCrunch ? #indiechat -9:49 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch There's lack of standardization MT
@laurapauling @JessieHarrell after like 5 more books, I'll have the formatting
understood. #indiechat -9:50 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @KatGirl_Studio Sigil is free software that
shows the epub coding behind the manuscript. #indiechat -9:50 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @srjohannes: if it wasnt for miral I never
would have made the marketing book! she saved me! RT @JessieHarrell:
@laurapauling #indiechat -9:50 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn no WFH is also terrible but
it's the lesser of 2 evils. #indiechat -9:50 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @laurapauling well I used her b/c I knew her ut
didnt not go through biblio b/c we already had a connection #indiechat -9:50 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @srjohannes @JessieHarrell @laurapauling hehe!
;) It was a great, fun book to read! #indiechat -9:50 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @srjohannes So she helped you connect with
professionals needed? #indiechat -9:51 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @laurapauling holy crap - @srjohannes, I'm
eating my words now. make fonts into images?? what??? #indiechat -9:51 PM Aug
14th, 2012
Battista_j RT @BiblioCrunch: Enhanced features are getting
more and popular in ebooks and #github has some nice examples you can download
#Indiechat -9:51 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn for example working for
Disney, Pixar or Nick would be WFH. You create things but you don't own them.
#indiechat -9:51 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch There is also #Jutoh and #Pages for conversion.
But the problem is Amazon is not likely to go #Epub #indiechat -9:51 PM Aug
14th, 2012
susankayequinn @KatGirl_Studio When I hire my cover artist
to make a cover, that's WFH, right? Or am I confused? #probably #indiechat
-9:51 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @BiblioCrunch by clearing the images, do you
mean purchasing the stock photo rights? #indiechat -9:52 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @laurapauling @bibliocrunch connects you with
people you need (they vet them) miral helped me in a bind. #indiechat -9:52 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn it is kinda but they are
different because the story is yours. #indiechat -9:52 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch You always have to make sure to test in all the
several Kindles. Basic things like bullet points can totally mess w/spacing
#indiechat. -9:52 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @srjohannes I have no problem making the mobi
file but with the first book I spent time on formatting that won't appear on
mobi. #indiechat -9:52 PM Aug 14th, 2012
susankayequinn @KatGirl_Studio When I work for GE and invent
new aircraft engines, they own the patent not me. That's what being salaried
is. #indiechat -9:52 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @BiblioCrunch can you give us some examples of
"enhanced features" in ebooks? #indiechat -9:52 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @srjohannes Which online service do you use?
#indiechat -9:53 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks For the record, I rewarded my runners-up and
will forever sing the praises of my winning designer publicly. :)
@KatGirl_Studio #indiechat -9:53 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes um YES! *slams head on desk* RT @BiblioCrunch:
You always have to make sure to test. bullet points can totally mess w/spacing
#indiechat. -9:53 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn imagine if a cover artist had
you write a book to match their cover and only paid you if you were picked.
#indiechat -9:53 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @srjohannes @laurapauling we bartered! ;)
#indiechat which gave me the idea of the #BarterBoard #indiechat -9:53 PM Aug
14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @JessieHarrell: @BiblioCrunch can you give
us some examples of "enhanced features" in ebooks? #indiechat -9:53
PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @laurapauling interesting, I've never heard
of it. I just use the Nook and Kindle emulators. #indiechat -9:53 PM Aug 14th,
2012
susankayequinn @KatGirl_Studio Yeah, I get how
crowd-sourcing stinks. Still not so sure about WFH. #indiechat -9:54 PM Aug
14th, 2012
laurapauling @KatGirl_Studio Do you mean like Adobe dig.
Editions for reading epub? #indiechat -9:54 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Examples of enhanced features #slideshows
#videos #audio #moving text #indiechat -9:54 PM Aug 14th, 2012
doreenb8 #indiechat hello -9:54 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn that depends. Do you ask for
all rights? And then not credit them as the designer? #indiechat -9:55 PM Aug
14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @JessieHarrell If you have a cookbook it would be
really cool to embed the recipe creation in the book itself #indiechat -9:55 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @KatGirl_Studio there r authors who do write
partial novels based on concept and only get to write the rest (& paid) if
they win #indiechat -9:55 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell RT @BiblioCrunch: Examples of enhanced
features #slideshows #videos #audio #moving text #indiechat -9:55 PM Aug 14th,
2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn yes that work you do for GE
is WFH. But you are employed by them and get those benefits. #indiechat -9:55
PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch I use a firefox plugin to do my initial proof
of epubs #indiechat so much easier! -9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling I think I'll never write a book with bullets.
#indiechat Not the kinds for listing items anyway. #indiechat -9:56 PM Aug
14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @BiblioCrunch what do you mean by "embed
the recipe creation" - sorry, you're talking to a newbie here #indiechat
-9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @BiblioCrunch what does copyediting and
formatting and cover designing range on the site. is it expensive? #indiechat
-9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @srjohannes: @laurapauling @bibliocrunch
connects you with people you need (they vet them) miral helped me in a bind.
#indiechat -9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn so imagine if you just got
paid a sum with no benefits of any kind. That's the bad side of WFH. #indiechat
-9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @laurapauling bullets are a pain ;) #indiechat
-9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Yup and making sure medium RT @JessieHarrell
@BiblioCrunch by clearing images, do you mean purchasing the stock photo
rights? #indiechat -9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks Regd crowd-sourcing, I think it's important
to reward all designers and be sure to credit the winning designer. #indiechat
-9:56 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn Sounds criminal right? but
it's something freelance designers are faced with everyday. #indiechat -9:57 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks yes but you are awesome and
not the norm. #indiechat -9:57 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @RyanCaseyBooks when you say
"reward," are you talking financially? #indiechat -9:57 PM Aug 14th,
2012
BiblioCrunch @JessieHarrell ex. your cookbook tells u 'how'
to make lamb chops. But you could also pop in a video that the reader could
watch #indiechat -9:57 PM Aug 14th, 2012
LM_Preston #indiechat I'm learning much tonight -9:58 PM Aug
14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks I'm not saying you're wrong
or a bad person. #indiechat -9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch But what can handle that? Just
iPads and Fires, right? #indiechat -9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @JessieHarrell or if you are buying a yoga book
or dance book - you could pop in videos there that actually show you #indiechat
-9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes whoa! RT @BiblioCrunch: @JessieHarrell cookbook
tells u 'how' to make lamb chops. But you also pop in a video #indiechat -9:58
PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @srjohannes: @BiblioCrunch what does
copyediting and formatting and cover designing range on the site. is it
expensive? #indiechat -9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
Froze8 @BiblioCrunch Marketing varies Some like @srjohannes
have marketing skills so do not need to pay as much as an author who doesn't
#indiechat -9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @srjohannes so you and others on biblio do that?
#indiechat -9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @BiblioCrunch now that's fascinating!
#indiechat -9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @RyanCaseyBooks Just wanted to make people
aware is all. #indiechat -9:58 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Ur budget RT @srjohannes @BiblioCrunch what
does copyediting and formatting and cover designing range on the site. is it
$$$? #indiechat -9:59 PM Aug 14th, 2012
SPNHeather Hi everyone!! #indiechat -9:59 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @JessieHarrell yes contest writing which I
also do support. #indiechat -9:59 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @srjohannes It's based on your budget. We have
really good grad students who can edit for less than a $100 or format to high
end #indiechat -9:59 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @KatGirl_Studio I'm glad you are doing. It's
very important that you do! #indiechat -9:59 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @BiblioCrunch u mean you put in your budget on
the site and people try to match it? #indiechat -9:59 PM Aug 14th, 2012
srjohannes @BiblioCrunch nice #indiechat -9:59 PM Aug 14th,
2012
laurapauling @BiblioCrunch So we could possibly get high
quality work from pros just starting out? #indiechat -10:00 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Yup! And iPhones and Droids RT @laurapauling
@BiblioCrunch But what can handle that? Just iPads and Fires, right? #indiechat
-10:00 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @SPNHeather hello! #indiechat -10:00 PM Aug
14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @laurapauling People always forget that if you
have a #Droid or #iphone you can download all these awesome interactive books
#indiechat -10:00 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks @JessieHarrell I think so yeah, within reason
obviously. But then the flipside is costs escalate anyway so not really
'cheaper' #indiechat -10:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
SPNHeather I'm stalking tonight so I can learn a bit more...
I now have a WIP #indiechat -10:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @JessieHarrell I don't support any contest
that asks me to create new art for free that they will own even if I don't win.
#indiechat -10:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
JessieHarrell @BiblioCrunch these embedded features don't
sound too far off though. are they being used in fiction much yet? #indiechat
-10:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Yep! NYU and Columbia grad students MT
@laurapauling @BiblioCrunch We could get high quality work from pros just
starting out? #indiechat -10:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch RT @JessieHarrell: @BiblioCrunch these embedded
features don't sound too far off though. are they being used in fiction much
yet? #indiechat -10:01 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch Yep! RT @srjohannes @BiblioCrunch u mean you
put in your budget on the site and people try to match it? #indiechat -10:02 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn yes, you are correct. When I
said WFH was evil I meant non salary jobs BTW. #indiechat -10:02 PM Aug 14th,
2012
BiblioCrunch p.s I'm in NYC and there are so many great pros
here just looking for experience #indiechat -10:02 PM Aug 14th, 2012
AuthorMadison Is there a list of dates and times that
#indiechat s are?? #indiechat -10:02 PM Aug 14th, 2012
RyanCaseyBooks Great chat tonight everyone, as always. Some
wonderful debates and the like. I have to shoot. Have a great evening!
#indiechat -10:03 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @JessieHarrell Not yet. Can totally see it with
something like author special interview at the end or something #indiechat
-10:03 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn yes that is also ok.
#indiechat -10:03 PM Aug 14th, 2012
BiblioCrunch @JessieHarrell Or a sneak peak of a movie
trailer if the book has been turned into a movie like @LornaSuzuki #indiechat
-10:04 PM Aug 14th, 2012
KatGirl_Studio @susankayequinn really it's a whole squiggly
fish. We are taught what to look for and what to avoid. #indiechat -10:04 PM
Aug 14th, 2012
laurapauling Okay, great chat tonight, guys! I'm off to
create the transcripts! #indiechat -10:04 PM Aug 14th, 2012
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